Saturday, September 2, 2017

[RATE] Videography Rate: Lady Gaga vs. Katy Perry vs. Rihanna-UNR

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A month ago, /u/doctorwhowhenhowwhy suggested a brand new, revolutionary take on our now year long rate tradition, analyze and rate the videographies of some of our favorite artists. Today, that dream becomes a reality, and together we will take a new look at how we rate songs and their accompanying visuals! Before we get into it, lets lay down a few ground rules!

  1. This rate is based on the visuals accompanying these songs. That means we are rating the visual, not the song alone, so make sure you are focused on the looks and not the sound when rating! (We will have some questions to ask yourself down below!)

  2. We will be enforcing a minimum average for a videography in an effort to keep the possibility of rigged averages at a minimum. We will not be disclosing this publicly so as not to encourage users to hit this minimum, instead, keep an open mind and have fun!

  3. Make sure you rate EVERY video of the original 16 video roster! If you would like to participate in the extra video rate, make sure you rate all 15 of those videos as well!


Lady Gaga - /u/Wailordfan

Lady Gaga, a master singer songwriter with credits writing amazing bops such as Just Dance, Bad Romance, and Mah mah mah puh puh puh Perfect Illusion. With 5 eras filled with memorable top 10 hits, and her fair share of #1s (Bad Romance could never), it is not fair to NOT bring up Stefani Germanotta’s historic and iconic videography.

Gaga made her music video debut with her massive debut hit, Just Dance. She channeled David Bowie’s character, Ziggy Stardust in her outfits, (an amazing, unknown at the time, call to her future tribute to him at the Grammys). The video itself feels like a standard party video, where teens are turning up, and having fun, and to be honest, the song is a bit like that. The biggest carry over is this strange nagging about Gaga’s persona and appearance. Something about her felt, different. She wasn’t just this party girl, there was something special there.

And oh is that true.

Gaga went on to create some of the most iconic music videos of the century, with unforgettable visuals to her songs LoveGame, Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Alejandro, Judas, Applause, The ARTPOP Film, and many more. Gaga has never taken a single and tried to just do the bare minimum, and unfortunately you can’t say that about many other artists. She has so obviously put her heart and soul into her work from her early work to her current projects.

A couple of interesting facts to ponder as well:

  • Gaga has been the sole director for two videos, the ARTPOP film, as well as Marry the Night. She was a co-director for Judas and Million Reasons
  • Gaga has featured co-stars in her videos ranging from The Walking Dead star, Norman Reedus, to Real Housewives star, Lisa Vanderpump
  • Gaga has infamously been linked to her supposed Telephone pt. 2 video that has never made it to light. She has become a subject of a meme to her fans, often aggressively pushing for the release of the sequel to the popular BeyoncΓ© collaboration, and a resolved story line for the two.

Needless to say, Gaga’s visuals are the stuff of legends, and have found a way to touch her fans, giving them a personal look at Gaga’s mind while she performs and makes these songs we have all come to love. Here are the videos we will be rating:

  1. LoveGame
  2. Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)
  3. Paparazzi
  4. Telephone (feat. Beyonce)
  5. Alejandro
  6. Born This Way
  7. Judas
  8. The Edge of Glory
  9. YoΓΌ and I
  10. Marry The Night
  11. Applause (fan-voted)
  12. G.U.Y.
  13. I Want Your Love
  14. Til It Happens to You
  15. Perfect Illusion
  16. John Wayne

Bonus (Optional) Rate: Lady Gaga

  1. Wale - Chillin (feat. Lady Gaga)
  2. Beyonce - Video Phone (feat. Lady Gaga)
  3. The Lonely Island - 3-Way (The Golden Rule) (feat. Justin Timberlake and Lady Gaga)
  4. Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga - The Lady is a Tramp
  5. Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga - Anything Goes

Katy Perry - /u/DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy

I think it's safe to say that Katy Perry is pretty much a mixed bag here on /r/popheads. There are times when most of the community really like what Katy does and there are other times where most of the community hates it.

As a stan of Katheryn, I can understand why (sort of). But if there is one element that I think is underappreciated by the community here is her lavish videography.

Her colorful, eye candy aesthetic that were present in most of her music videos are one of the key elements that made Katy Perry a huge successful pop-girl of the early 2010s.

Her music videos during her 'One of the Boys' era are more low-key compared to her older ones but those videos introduced Katy Perry as a tongue-in-cheek popstar to the world.

Then there's the Teenage Dream era, where she had the most unforgettable music videos on her videography, from the colorful, fun music videos like 'California Gurls' and 'Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F)' to her more low-key, melodramatic music videos like 'Teenage Dream' and 'The One That Got Away'.

On the PRISM era, she managed to stay away from the bubblegum Teenage Dream aesthetic while still keeping the colorful, playful parts of her personality into her music videos in this particular era. 'Roar' and 'Dark Horse' are currently her most-watched music videos, with Roar and Dark Horse earning 2.21 billion and 2.06 billion views respectively as well as being the tenth and fifteenth most-viewed videos of all-time on YouTube.

Even though Witness has received mixed reactions and did not capture the same success that her previous era had, there's no denying that Katy can still deliver a stunning music video. With its retro-futuristic, timely music video of 'Chained to the Rhythm' to the dark yet luring body-horror, cannibalistic video of 'Bon Appetit'.

She has been nominated twenty nine times and has won five Moonmans on the years Katy has been nominated on the MTV Video Music Awards, including this year where she hosted this year's show.

While some of her music may not match up to the standards of her peers, she certainly knows how to pull off a great music video that is easily on the same levels of 'iconic-ness' as her peers.

  1. Ur So Gay
  2. I Kissed a Girl
  3. Hot n Cold
  4. Waking Up in Vegas
  5. California Gurls (feat. Snoop Dogg)
  6. Teenage Dream
  7. E.T. (feat. Kanye West)
  8. Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)
  9. Roar
  10. Dark Horse (feat. Juicy J) (fan-voted)
  11. Birthday
  12. This is How We Do
  13. Rise
  14. Chained to The Rhythm (feat. Skip Marley)
  15. Bon AppΓ©tit (feat. Migos)
  16. Swish Swish (feat. Nicki Minaj)

Bonus (Optional) Rate: Katy Perry

  1. 3OH!3 - Starstruckk (feat. Katy Perry)
  2. Timabaland - If We Ever Meet Again (feat. Katy Perry)
  3. John Mayer - Who You Love (feat. Katy Perry)
  4. Calvin Harris - Feels (feat. Pharell Williams, Katy Perry and Big Sean)
  5. Katy Perry and Elmo - Hot N Cold (Sesame Street Version)

Rihanna - /u/mokitsu

Although she's most known for not even bothering to make music videos for her songs nowadays, Rihanna has one of the best and most diverse video catalogues in memory. With 31 top ten singles across twelve years, we've watched Rihanna grow right in front of our TV screens (whenever her videos weren't censored). In Pon de Replay, the first of her 52 music videos, she's a cutesy little 17 year old girl who just wants to dance, but in Loyalty, the latest one, she's a man killing, fur wearing, sexy gangster. Who would've thought?

Throughout her videography, RiRi has displayed a little something I'm also known for - versatiliy. She has done sexy (S&M), disturbing (Russian Roulette), sad and vulnerable (Stay), unforgettable (Only Girl) and downright gorgeous (Te Amo, Diamonds) videos. If the song isn't hers, her parts in the video are probably the most memorable ones (Princess of China). Even when she's just a wax figure, the video is good - just watch Famous!

Much like the songs themselves, three of Rihanna's videos are essential to any pop enthusiast and were truly events in their own right back in the day - Umbrella, where she broke through as a sex icon (VOTY at the 2007 VMAs) We Found Love, the controversial masterpiece that mirrored Rihanna's abusive and unhealty relationship (also VOTY, and a GrammyTM for Best Music Video) and Bitch Better Have My Money, praised by critics and fans alike, and what gave her the little push she needed to win the coveted Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award at the 2016 VMAs. (Even though BeyoncΓ© outshined her that night).

Her music videos have been compared to Madonna (and she has won the distinction without copying her!) and Janet Jackson, and they've been praised for being thought provoking and cinematic. She was even named the "video vixen" of the 00's for her sexual, controversial and trend-setting image on her music videos.

  1. SOS
  2. We Ride
  3. Umbrella (feat. JAY-Z)
  4. Don't Stop the Music
  5. Take a Bow
  6. Hard (feat. Young Jeezy)
  7. Rude Boy
  8. Te Amo
  9. Only Girl (In The World)
  10. S&M
  11. California King Bed
  12. Man Down
  13. Diamonds
  14. FourFiveSeconds (feat. Kanye West and Paul McCartney)
  15. Bitch Better Have My Money (fan-voted)
  16. Kiss It Better

Bonus (Optional) Rate: Rihanna

  1. The Lonely Island - Shy Ronnie 2: Ronnie and Clyde (feat. Rihanna)
  2. Shakira - Can't Remember to Forget You (feat. Rihanna)
  3. Kanye West - All of the Lights (feat. Rihanna, Kid Cudi)
  4. Kendrick Lamar - LOYALTY. (feat. Rihanna)
  5. Drake - Take Care (feat. Rihanna)

Most of you guys know how the rules work but please read carefully cause we have made some changes!

  • Watch EVERY music video in this rate. If you wish to participate in the bonus music videos rate, you must watch EVERY video of it too.
  • Assign a music video from a scale of 1 to 10 to your liking. Only .0 and .5 decimal scores are allowed. Double digit decimal scores are not allowed.
  • We will be enforcing a minimum average for this rate. That means that if your average for any given artist is below a certain threshold, we won't accept your scores and you'll have to resend them if we ask to. We also reserve the right to reject your scores and ask you to resubmit if we think you're intentionally trying to sabotage the results and not just rating videos based on how well you like them. You're allowed to dislike an artist, but let's not get too Stan Twitter-y about it. We also reserve the right to reject your scores if you're giving straight 10s. You're allowed to be a generous scorer but again, let's not get obnoxious about it.
  • Use [the prepared link]() to send in your scores. We'll be using the rate program made by /u/letsallpoo. We'll still accept your scores if it's not submitted in our preferred format but we reserve the right to publicly shame you during the rate reveal. We would prefer if you send your scores on our private test subreddit /r/wailordoc, which is already linked in our pre-formatted message. However, you can still PM your scores individually to either /u/DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy or /u/wailordfan but this is already inconvenient for us!
  • You may (and are encouraged to!) include comments with your scores. To include a comment, just write it directly after your score, like this:

Perfect Illusion: 0 AutoModerator is shook.

  • You may (and are also encouraged to!) include comments for particular artist' videographies. Feel free to write assays for these. To include a comment, add a colon and write it directly on the album line, like this:

Album: Katy Perry: I trust nobody and nobody trusts me. I'll be an actress starring in your bad dreams.


The Process of Rating

Maybe you hit the bottom of this thread and you are trying to figure out how we are supposed to rate these videos if we aren't supposed to be overly biased by the songs? Well, fear not, we thought of that, and have 5 aspects to look at when rating!

  1. Editing (Were the transitions clean, did the lip sync work, etc.)

  2. Set/Background Design

  3. Cinematography (How were camera angles/movement/positioning used?)

  4. Acting/persona portrayed by artist(s) in the video

  5. Themes (How were the themes of the song represented here? Was anything missing or was too much shown?)

Also, just for fun, we wanted to include a few more bonus questions for you guys to answer to get a feel for /r/popheads' gut feelings on the videos, so if you want to add these to your ballot, feel free to!

  1. Which music video do you think will win?

  2. In this rate, who do you think has the best videography?

  3. Which music video in this rate has the best editing?

  4. Which music video has the best cinematography?

  5. Who is the best actress in their music videos and which music video best portrayed their acting abilities?

  6. Which music video gets their theme or message across the best?

If you have any questions, feel free to ask below. We'll be accepting scores until the end of the month.


Main Rate YouTube Playlist

Bonus Optional Rate YouTube Playlist

It's strongly suggested that you watch the music videos on YouTube as it's a videography rate.


Use this link to send your scores

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