I started listening to Manson around 2018 so his most recent work back then were the 2 albums produced and composed by Tyler Bates. If they, or more precisely Pale Emperor wouldn’t be so good, I guess I wouldn’t become a fan, at least so quickly. Of course I was impressed by tryptich from the first listen but it wasn’t until I’ve heard Deep Six and Third Day Of A Seven Day Binge until I thought that this guy is STILL seriously talented and capable of writing awesome music.
But let’s begin with 2019. His live shows were declining. You can watch any performance from 2019 and the chance you’ll see him being drunk and high off his mind is pretty high, as well as mumbling or forgetting the lyrics, not being able to stand straight for one song etc. etc. His music was still good tho and he had some tv appearances and that’s it I guess.
Let’s move on to February 2021. Marilyn Manson’s career is done. No record label. No band. No manager. Shooter Jennings pretends Marilyn Manson and the album they recorded together doesn’t exist. Rob Zombie pretends their tour never happened. Norman Reedus, well, you know what I’m talking about. He became hated by everyone. If anyone tried to defend him, it would result in being accused of victim blaming and supporting a garbage human being, or just straight to the point a garbage human being. The perspective of a new album is very distant and the tour seems pretty much impossible.
Two years after that Manson has his lawsuit going on, he performed with Kanye who has gone mad already by 2023, he is supposed to release a song with Kat Von D and what? His comeback is anticipated by people on this sub, he is defended publicly by Kat, Colonel Kurtz and Tim Skold’s wife but still if you mention that you’re a Manson fan you’re going to trased over the internet. And still there is no sign that he could be ever able to tour again. Let’s be real, he was still hated by everyone except for his most loyal group of fan so except for us :) And on top of all of that, people still remember his drunk live shows, fights with band members etc. Sobriety? It was an urban legend, I guess it was Paula who said he went to a rehab in an interview with Kurtz.
Now let’s take a look at Tyler Bates. He started working with M, during one of his lowest periods, they made a kick ass album and went on tour! Manson has a new band, formed by no one else but Tyler Bates (except for Twiggy). Things seemed to be getting better until Manson threw a bottle of beer on Bates’ pedalboard and later on threatened him with a boxcutter. Tyler Bates isn’t type of guy who’s gonna let that type of behaviour happen so he leaves the band. Rightfully so. But they get back together again in a period which was even more horrid. Manson faces death of his mother, father, his cat, his relationship is unhealthy (check messages between him and Depp in 2016) and his addictions are getting completely out of hand. Tyler Bates makes a record with him, goes on tour with him and he comes back to his main job - movies. He has a lot of high budget productions at this point and is likely to be more successful without Manson than with him, although that collaboration definitely gave him some wider recognition.
When Marilyn Manson gets cancelled, Tyler Bates goes on tour with Jerry Cantrell and makes a record with him. Fuck yeah, he doesn’t have to dive deep in controversy to play some rock music for big audiences! But… but he eventually does. He sacrifices everything to make an album with the world’s most hated rockstar and go on tour with him. He brings back his friend Gil, girlfriend of Greg Pucciato, who sang for Cantrell and Piggy D (I don’t think that he’s connected to Bates in anyway but still half of the band is). But don’t forget that it wasn’t a Marilyn Manson’s world tour. He left all of his other projects to play as an opening act for Five Finger Death Punch. It’s easy to forget about that when Manson’s tour dates get sold out pretty easily. It was literally just a little bit over a year ago.
Right now, most of the people in rock/metal community know that Manson is different. That he’s a solid act. He gets praised Alice Cooper, Eddie Trunk, John 5, Ozzy Osbourne (if you read his new book), his ex wife shows up to his birthday party along with a lot of people he used to work with. It wouldn’t have happened without Bates. Actually his birthday party in 2024 was organized by Tyler.
I have no idea what they are like behind the scenes. I have no idea if they had any fall out recently. But based on what we know:
I wish all of you to have a friend like Tyler Bates. I wish Tyler Bates the very best because he’s awesome. I’m happy I could see him live with Manson last year- it was incredible. I’m bummed he won’t be there when I’ll see Manson in July but I’m grateful for everything this man has done for my favorite artist.
Excuse me for such a long post but I got really emotional. Happy new year!
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